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| - *** Q: Are most of these datasets freely available on the web; are people sharing them? A: Few available on web ... Q: But is it possible to get them? A: It is a very divergent / diverse community. Q: W |
| + *** Q: Are most of these datasets freely available on the web; are people sharing them? A: Few available on web ... Q: But is it possible to get them? A: It is a very divergent / diverse community ... |
| + ** Shawn Bowers on semantic integration |
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| - ** Mark: Goal is to compartmentalize that provides general utility for next project, for some other analysis; a standard type of function that we want to capture and describe to use for others |
| + ** Mark: Goal is to compartmentalize so as to provides general utility for next project, for some other analysis; capture standard functions that we want to capture and describe to use for others |
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| - ** Katy |
| + ** Katy (note, the following mixes discussion with Katy's presentation) |
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| - **** Every experiment found that as you increase productivy it decreases diversity, which doesn't follow the natural productivity/species-richness curve (this is gaining interest: we are increasing productivity of systems in general with environmental change going on, e.g., urbanization increases nitrogen/fertizilation, and a desire to know the result on diversity) |
| - **** What is Primary Productivity "can of worms" |
| - ***** Want to aggregate data at many different scales / communities to get many types of graphs; you want to ultimately go from smallest possible scale to largest scale |
| - ***** decision making that goes in, before any analysis happens. This goes into the data discovery/integration. Deana: can we build a repository of methodologies. |
| - ***** primarily using herbaceous sites |
| - ***** you do a broad category of the dataset, but not the details (a little bit of woody stuff, ...) |
| + **** Every experiment found that as you increase productivy it decreases diversity, which doesn't follow the natural productivity/species-richness curve (this is gaining interest in the community: we are increasing productivity of systems in general with environmental change going on, e.g., urbanization increases nitrogen/fertizilation, and a desire to know the result on diversity) |
| + **** What is Primary Productivity "can of worms" discussion |
| + ***** Want to aggregate data at many different scales/communities to get many types of graphs; you want to ultimately go from smallest possible scale to largest scale (infer curve of graph) |
| + ***** What decision making occurs before any analysis happens? This goes into the data discovery/integration. Deana: can we build a repository of methodologies? |
| + ***** You do a broad category of the dataset, but not the details (a little bit of woody stuff, and so on...) |
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| - **** most of the time, productivity scales well, i.e., it is a linear scaling, e.g., anpp vs. area is a linear relationship. so for exmaple, even though they are smaller plots, you can get g/m^2 measures. Basically, productivity doubles as area doubles... |
| - **** n addition decresases species diversity: plot at lter sites of anpp (above-ground primary productivity) versus relative species density; species density is the number of species observed in a given area |
| - **** two studies, measures at different scales: either you simulate or measure a species area curve, and extrapolate to different areas. |
| - **** N fertilization positivevly effects productivity negatively effects diversity |
| + **** Most of the time, productivity scales well, i.e., it is a linear scaling, e.g., anpp vs. area is a linear relationship. So for example, even though they are smaller plots, you can get g/m^2 measures. Basically, productivity doubles as area doubles... |
| + **** N addition decreases species diversity: plot at lter sites of anpp (above-ground primary productivity) versus relative species density; species density is the number of species observed in a given area |
| + **** Two studies, measures at different scales: either you simulate or measure a species area curve, and extrapolate to different areas. |
| + **** N fertilization positivevly effects productivity; negatively effects diversity |
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| - **** species response to fertilization: |
| - ****** in the case of increased fertility, can we predict what species we will lose? What species will become dominant? |
| - ****** are these responses contingent on system characteristics? |
| - **** dataset: 8 lter sites, 28 community types (mainly vegetation classifications, based on the experiments/manipulations done at the sites); 831 species |
| - **** dataset characteristics |
| - ***** n added (g/m^2/yr), 10 (ARC), 9.5 (CDR), 60/wk (GCE), etc. |
| + **** Species response to fertilization: |
| + ****** In the case of increased fertility, can we predict what species we will lose? What species will become dominant? |
| + ****** Are these responses contingent on system characteristics? |
| + **** Dataset: 8 lter sites, 28 community types (mainly vegetation classifications, based on the experiments/manipulations done at the sites); 831 species |
| + **** Dataset characteristics |
| + ***** N added (g/m^2/yr), 10 (ARC), 9.5 (CDR), 60/wk (GCE), etc. |
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| - **** Often times, a matrix like this is constructed at the beginning of doing a "synthesis", and the most important points to track for each site are: treatment, sample size, duration, and replication. |
| + **** Often, a matrix like this is constructed at the beginning of doing a "synthesis", and the most important points to track for each site are: treatment, sample size, duration, and replication. |
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| - **** herbaceous Term applied to a nonwoody stem/plant with minimal secondary growth |
| - **** example dataset: |
| + **** Herbaceous term applied to a nonwoody stem/plant with minimal secondary growth |
| + **** Example dataset: |
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| - ** Both projects pretty muched took from the same original, "raw" data sets |
| + ** Both projects pretty much took from the same original, "raw" data sets |
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| - ** brainstorming: |
| + ** Brainstorming: |
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| - *** General Tasks: Identifying data that is relevant (talking with people), permission to obtain of the data, understanding the structure and content of the data (sampling design, how or what attributes mean), and then determining which can be appropriately can be integrated to do an analysis. From Jornada: [http://jornada-www.nmsu.edu/] (go to "Research Data" > "LTER Data" > "Plant") |
| - *** anpp versus r and a bunch of data points. how can the data points be linked back to a table of other features ... of the species that are involved in the point. the point represents the set of species in an area (the species "richness") ... the auxiliary table is characteristics of the species |
| - *** as another example, compare what happens to the species between the points (as area increases); and more importantly the functional traits of the change |
| - **** these are just visualization things |
| - *** null model, and the null expectation |
| - *** abundance vs loss prob for n-fix and not n-fix |
| - *** standard toolset |
| - *** measuring functional diversity is a big problem -- a computationally complex problem |
| - *** for loss-prob and n-fixers; you need to do data integration: how many sites are needed, and so on ... |
| + *** General tasks: Identifying data that is relevant (talking with people), permission to obtain the data, understanding the structure and content of the data (sampling design, how or what attributes mean), and then determining which can be appropriately integrated to do an analysis. From Jornada: [http://jornada-www.nmsu.edu/] (go to "Research Data" > "LTER Data" > "Plant") |
| + *** anpp versus r and a bunch of data points. how can the data points be linked back to a table of other features ... of the species that are involved in the point. The point represents the set of species in an area (the species "richness") ... the auxiliary table is characteristics of the species |
| + *** As another example, compare what happens to the species between the points (as area increases); and more importantly the functional traits of the change |
| + **** Comment: These are just visualization things |
| + *** Null model, and the null expectation |
| + *** Abundance vs loss prob for n-fix and not n-fix |
| + *** Standard toolset |
| + *** Measuring functional diversity is a big problem -- a computationally complex problem |
| + *** For loss-probability and N-fixers you need to do data integration: how many sites are needed, and so on ... |
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| - *** predict why diversity would declince / change |
| + *** Predict why diversity would declince / change |
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| - ** query |
| - *** some data by keyword: "biodiversity", "species counts", "abundance", species names, functional trait |
| - *** location, e.g., place name, coordinates, bounding box |
| - *** sample method |
| - *** analysis type, e.g., counts, abundance |
| - ** construct logically and semantically equivalent views |
| - ** group on sample methods (transect vs plot) |
| - ** data |
| + ** Query |
| + *** Some data by keyword: "biodiversity", "species counts", "abundance", species names, functional trait |
| + *** Location, e.g., place name, coordinates, bounding box |
| + *** Sample method |
| + *** Analysis type, e.g., counts, abundance |
| + ** Construct logically and semantically equivalent views |
| + ** Group on sample methods (transect vs plot) |
| + ** Data |
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| - ** integrate transect data |
| - ** integrate plot data |
| - ** graphs |
| + ** Integrate transect data |
| + ** Integrate plot data |
| + ** Construct graphs |
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| - *** IRC channel for BEAM? Scheduled meeting. |
| + *** IRC channel for BEAM? Weekly, bi-weekly scheduled meeting? |
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| - *** The discussion broadly covered traits of plant communities important in biodiversity and productivity experiments and experimental methodologies. The following notes are raw and will require considerable work to formalize. As such, the categorizations suggested by the indented formatting should be regarded as preliminary. |
| - **** __Traits of a Population__ (aggregated group of individuals) of Plant Species: |
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| - *** Based on part of Steve and David's Jornada analysis |
| + *** Participants: Steve Cox, David Chalcraft, Shawn Bowers, Bertram Ludaescher, Mark Schildhauer, Chad Berkley, |
| + Dan Higgins, Jianting Zhang ([jzhang@lternet.edu|mailto:jzhang@lternet.edu]) |
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| + * __Notes from ontology breakout__ |
| + ** The discussion broadly covered traits of plant communities important in biodiversity and productivity experiments and experimental methodologies. The following notes are raw and will require considerable work to formalize. As such, the categorizations suggested by the indented formatting should be regarded as preliminary. |
| + *** __Traits of a Population__ (aggregated group of individuals) of Plant Species: |
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| + * __Notes from workflow breakout__ |
| + ** Workflow based on part of Steve and David's Jornada analysis |
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